Benjamin Fulford On Jeff Rense: Hours 1, 2 & 3

This transcript reads just like science-fiction. I just don’t know what to make of all this. Deep within me, this all makes sense, but another part of me doesn’t want to believe all this.

I’ll let the reader decide what to make of this article/transcript.

Transcript
7-11-7

-HOUR ONE-

RENSE: I think we’re up and running here. A little rocky, the day after the fourth of July, but I think we’re connected to Japan.

This is going to be interesting. An awful lot of email has been coming in about the story from Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D., called “Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati.” This is a very interesting story, something the likes of which I have not seen in all the years of doing this program or website.

The author is Benjamin Fulford – the author quoted in the story. He is a North American, Canadian to be specific, expatriate living in Japan now. Let’s just bring him on and say hello, see how he’s doing and check this connection out. Are you there, Ben?

FULFORD: Yeah, I’m here.

RENSE: OK, we’ve got a little bit of delay.

FULFORD: It’s a cell phone, so the reception is not so good.

RENSE: Well, you sound all right. There’s a bit of a delay, so we’ll have to deal with that.

A lot of people have been asking me, could this be real? Is this a hoax? Is this a joke? What is it? We’re going to find out much more about this story, so stay with us tonight as we continue this conversation with Benjamin Fulford.

He is the former Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Forbes Magazine, and he quit in disgust when Forbes refused to run a damaging story about one of its advertisers. Boy, I know that game, and many of us in the media do – [those] who try to tell as close to the truth as we can without losing our jobs. In this case, Ben did eventually lose his job, because Forbes wouldn’t back him. It’s a story I’ve heard before.

He speaks as a very principled man – a reporter, journalist in the best tradition. Let’s find out from Ben exactly what happened.

First of all, Ben, when were you named Asian bureau chief for Forbes, and what was your background before that, if you would?

FULFORD: Okay. I’ve been a journalist in Japan for about 20 years. I was bureau chief for Forbes from 1998 to 2004-2005.

RENSE: That’s a good long stretch.

FULFORD: Then I left for a lot of different complications.

RENSE: Your relationship with Forbes, up until the time you decided to part ways with them, was how? You were there with them for almost eight years, I guess.

FULFORD: It started out as a rather cushy job. They let me investigate a lot of stuff about Japanese organized crime and the seedier side of things in Japan. However, at a certain point I seemed to be getting too close to something they didn’t want me to get to, and they started stopping stories.

There was a corruption story about GE that didn’t make it. Another one about Citibank didn’t make it.

Then when I finally found out there was an anti-virus software company who was actually making viruses, that was it.

RENSE: [Laughs] Yeah.

FULFORD: That was the last straw for me.

RENSE: They do that, I’ve heard. Why not? Once in a while you hear about firemen actually starting fires. I don’t know, it’s bizarre. That’s what software companies that are in the anti-virus protection business are accused of doing from time to time – if not directly, then indirectly. It wouldn’t surprise me.

When did you learn to speak Japanese?

FULFORD: Well, I went to university in Japan. I came here when I was 19, and I’ve been here more than 20 years, so I just got it early on.

RENSE: Did it come easy to you?

FULFORD: Well, it’s a very difficult language. Not grammatically, but because you have to grasp a whole new way of thinking. You have to understand that Asian culture and Western culture parted ways about 40,000 years ago.

RENSE: [Laughs]

FULFORD: That means there’s 40,000 years of folk wisdom that you have to catch up with to really understand what’s going on, and that’s very, very difficult.

RENSE: You mean four thousand, instead of forty thousand. There was nobody around back then, supposedly.

FULFORD: What I mean is genetic tests show that’s when we separated – Orientals and Caucasians.

RENSE: I got it. Okay. Now with respect to the Asian mind, Western minds – the American mind in particular, we’ll just keep it to North America and Canada – are not basically understood.

I predicate that statement on not having been there, not having any experience, but having talked to the former TIME bureau chief for Beijing on the [Rense] program some years ago. He said, when I asked him what the Asian mind thought about American Western diplomacy, in China specifically, he laughed. He said they consider Americans to be but children in a sandbox. That’s the gulf we’re talking about here.

Now would that remark ring true to you in any way?

FULFORD: Yes, in part. Another way they look at Western society is as a slave society.

RENSE: Slave society?

FULFORD: A slave society.

RENSE: Well, indeed it is. Go ahead.

FULFORD: Controlled in secret by a group of, well, Huckleberry Finn slave drivers.

RENSE: Well, we call them Illuminati, we call them Bilderbergers, CFR, Trilateral Commission. We can throw in Skull and Bones, the Club of Rome, the Fabian Society – all sorts of secret cartels, cabals and groups.

But at the top, it’s a fairly singular power source, and it is certainly one of slave-owner to slaves. The encumbering of the slaves is becoming ever more adroit. With each passing month, it seems, the technology and politics are changing so quickly over here.

The view from Japan of North America. Let’s talk about the United States. How is it for you, an expatriate from Canada?

FULFORD: Living in Japan, you mean?

RENSE: Yeah. What’s it look like over there? What we’re doing over here. And I mean ‘we’ with President Bush, Vice President Cheney, of course enjoying the lowest ratings, probably, in Presidential and Vice Presidential history. The American polls show the respect for the US Congress virtually around 14-15 percent in terms of job satisfaction. So tell me more.

FULFORD: It looks like maybe Russia did just before the Iron Curtain fell. It looks like a huge sea change is about to happen. Like the biggest thing since the Declaration of Independence, I think.

RENSE: Well yes, almost the antithesis of [the Declaration of Independence]. I can see how that would be a view from over there, and it’s probably far more loaded with merit than we would like to agree.

Things are happening over here, as I think you well know, at a very rapid pace now. The controllers are literally pushing things in the American public’s face that are so unconstitutional and illegal as to be laughable, if they weren’t so tragic.

FULFORD: I think these people are scared. They are trying to carry out a plan. They are desperate now. Their plan is so horrendous and so bizarre, it provokes a split – even within their own ranks.

RENSE: I’ve heard talk of factions. You mentioned the words “they are desperate,” the key word being ‘desperate.’ There are others who have said the same kind of thing – [the controllers] sense there is a window through which they must move, now, if they are ever going to move. Do you agree with that?

FULFORD: Yes. Let me tell you something. I was offered the job of finance minister in Japan by the Freemasons. Okay?

RENSE: When?

FULFORD: I brought [my case against] David Rockefeller. I actually was able to link him to some murders of bankers and other people in Japan, as a part of his effort to take over the Japanese financial system.

When I confronted the former Japanese finance minister, Heizo Takanaka (ph) with this, he sent a ninja, believe it or not – a real live ninja – who offered me a gold Freemason badge. He told me I could either accept a job of great power or be killed.

At first I thought I had no choice, I had to go along, which is what happens to a lot of people when they get pulled into this. But then the Chinese secret society showed up and offered me protection. So that’s why I can talk about this.

I want to tell you. I got right inside, right at the very top. Anybody up to a 33rd degree Freemason is a chump. They think they’re doing good for humankind and they’re doing God’s work. There are 13 degrees above the 33rd degree.

RENSE: So I’ve heard.

FULFORD: The first thing they learn is that there is no God. We are God. This is what they are taught. And they are, believe it or not, the descendants of Babylonian pirates. This goes back almost 6000 years. It’s ancient Babylonian slave-driver technology.

They use a combination of bribes, murder, ostracism, mind control, whatever. They have a huge arsenal. They think very, very long term.

The story I’ve figured out now is that when they started with the Zionism, they had this plan to make a capital in Jerusalem. A lot of the religious Jews thought of this as blasphemy, but they actually did it.

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And then there was a convergence. There was a really radical faction that had this plan to eliminate Christianity. Now this is going to sound so horrendous, believe me…

RENSE: Hold on right there, Ben. Let me ask you to pause. We’ll take a break, and come back to that thought. Eliminating Christianity. Very interesting.

Lots already on the table here. My guest is Benjamin Fulford, the former Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Forbes magazine, who has just a stunningly provocative piece up on the site written by Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D., who interviewed Ben at great length. You’ll see it up there on Featured Stories, on the left hand side of my home page.

So by all means, take a look. Right under that, a story written by Benjamin Fulford – the Secret History of the Freemasons in Japan – as well. Be back in a minute.

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